The religious Right appears intent on criminalising Gay Sex again

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With Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation hearings coming up, it’s important to underscore that some anti-LGBTQ leaders appear to be going for the brass ring, far beyond just dismantling marriage equality. They’re signaling they want to see the Supreme Court allow states to once again ban sodomy.

The reality of that may sound crazy and horrifying, but just a year and a half ago, many things sounded crazy and horrifying. The U.S. is separating children from their parents at the border (and dragging its feet on reuniting them, even under court order) and the president of the United States publicly sided with a longtime adversary over American intelligence, which he continues to attack. And it appears Roe v. Wade will be overturned.

So anything can happen.

Banning gay sex is something he likely believes is constitutional. Unlike Justice Anthony Kennedy, the leader on gay rights on the court, Gorsuch is, as the respected NPR Supreme Court reporter Nina Totenberg and her colleague Lauren Russell described him, a “self-proclaimed disciple of [the late Justice] Antonin Scalia’s crusade” of originalism: taking the Constitution literally as those who wrote it in its time presumably intended.

Gorsuch revered Scalia, who, drawing upon originalism, wrote a blistering dissent from the Supreme Court’s ruling in Lawrence v. Texas in 2003, which threw out sodomy bans ― for which Kennedy wrote the majority opinion.

Kavanaugh, who sits on the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, is an originalist too, and he’s someone the Christian right is counting on to halt in its tracks a Supreme Court that, as Bryan Fisher of the American Family Association wrote after Kavanaugh’s nomination two weeks ago, “just in the last two decades alone … has dramatically reversed its own precedents on the criminalization of homosexuality [and] the legality of same-sex marriage.” Fisher wrote another column this week solely focused on sodomy, claiming that “it has become obsessively important to gay activists to pretend that God actually approves of their behavior.”

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    1. If I had a penny for everything people told me the supreme court or politicians were going to do that ended up being bullshit, I’d never have to work again…

  1. Every judge should be an “originalist.” If the Constitution doesn’t mean exactly what it says, then it means nothing. If ruling according to the written wording and original intent results in unintended or unhappy consequences, then it is up to the Congress, the President, and the States to amend the Constitution.

    Full-on “Nellie” articles like this one only demean our cause, and make us appear weak, silly and flighty to our critics.

    1. “If the Constitution doesn’t mean exactly what it says, then it means nothing.”

      Point out EXACTLY WHERE in the U.S. Constitution sodomy is mentioned.

      Point out EXACTLY WHERE in the U.S. Constitution homosexuality is mentioned.

      You fucking “religious” IDIOT.

      1. The 9th Amendment covers all the rights not specifically mentioned elsewhere, such as right to free association, economic opportunity, to own property, to marry, and so forth ad infinitum. Which would cover sex acts and preferences. The 10th Amendment provides for regulation of these rights to the federal government where specifically enumerated, and otherwise to the states or the people, which is why free association now includes protected classes, economic opportunity requires a state business licenses with a world of assorted provisions, private property is taxed by state and local jurisdictions, and the betrothed must still obtain a license, and in some places, a blood test.

        From time to time, the Supreme Court has, in its infinite wisdom, incorporated certain Amendments in the Bill of Rights to the states, thus removing their right to regulate and establish. Which is why the established state-sponsored and funded religions in all 13 original states were finally invalidated – North Carolina in 1875, and finally New Hampshire in 1877. Recently the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms has been incorporated to mean an individual right, in defiance of regulations in several states and cities. Sadly, that civil rights campaign continues. Hurry Kavanaugh! Liberty is holding its breath……

        The 10th Amendment also allows for state and local jurisdictions to pass laws and assume police powers over their citizens where they don’t conflict with the Constitution, and implies limits to federal police powers to the enforcement of specific federal crimes, usually related to interstate commerce.

        Needless to say, there is considerable controversy over the federal exercise of police power. Several states have legalized recreational and medicinal use of marijuana in defiance of federal legislation. Several other states have passed laws forbidding police departments within their jurisdictions from enforcing gun control laws they deem in violation of 2nd Amendment rights. The issue of sanctuary states and state and local enforcement of
        immigration laws is headed for final Supreme Court resolution.

        The price of freedom is eternal vigilance … oh, and keep your powder dry.

        1. I’m glad Horselips points out that the so called originalists re-interpreted the 2nd amendment to be an individual right instead of the original intent for it to apply to state militia. Activist judges at work.

          The banning of a federal standing army in times of peace caused some to question if states could have a standing army in times of peace, that being answered in the affirmative by the 2nd amendment.

          Though the right of an individual to have guns is asserted in the 9th amendment by virtue of it not being reserved to the federal government. All rights though have limits. Our southern states have demonstrated the extent rights can be limited with their anti-abortion laws. So, the same level of limitation can apparently be applied to gun ownership rights.

          Unfortunately, as Penboy has pointed out, too many people believe the bill of rights to be an exhaustive list of rights instead of the token list it actually is.

    2. Scalia wasn’t an originalist, that was just his special term for being a bigot. Jefferson had written that the document was intended to take on new meanings as society changed, otherwise “it would be as if an adult tried to wear the coat they wore as a child”(paraphrase from memory). So, to be a real originalist is to read the documents in terms of current understandings.

    3. The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

      The Ninth Amendment was James Madison’s attempt to ensure that the Bill of Rights was not seen as granting to the people of the United States only the specific rights it addressed. In recent years, some have interpreted it as affirming the existence of such “unenumerated” rights outside those expressly protected by the Bill of Rights.

      During the ratification debates over the Constitution, some opponents of ratification (“Anti-Federalists”) vociferously complained about the absence of a bill of rights. In response, supporters of the Constitution (“Federalists”) such as James Wilson argued that a bill of rights would be dangerous. Enumerating any rights, Wilson argued, might imply that all those not listed were surrendered. And, because it was impossible to enumerate all the rights of the people, a bill of rights might actually be construed to justify the government’s power to limit any liberties of the people that were not enumerated.

      In laymen’s term, the Ninth Amendment guarantees the full rights of homosexuals just as [by your own admission:] the “right to free association, economic opportunity, to own property, to marry, and so forth ad infinitum.

      If citizens have the right to marry whom they please and have sex with that person as they please, via the Constitution, they apply to all homosexuals as well.

      Just try to argue that.

  2. I will try to remember not to appear weak, silly and flighty as they march me off to the “showers.”

  3. Let’s not forget Jeff Sessions, who thinks for some reason that protecting LGBT rights means infringing religious rights.

    That’s because these bigots think that the Bible, not the constitutional laws, should rule all of our society, including the atheists who know that gods are a human fantasy, or the people following non-Christian religions. And for most American Baptists, even Catholics and the Pope are not true Christians…

    I don’t think such homophobic declarations will turn into law, society has changed too much for that. At worst, Trump will try to impose a tariff on gays, to compensate the federal revenue loss cause by the reduction of taxes.

  4. While homosexuality (in the U.S.) will probably not be outlawed in totality again — even through the Supreme Court — the religious right will try to chip away at every single law to gain anything they can by any means they can think of, no matter whether it’s legal or not. I’ve been saying this for years now and they continue to prove me right.

    I so wish I could be proven wrong about any/all of this.

    1. Homosexuality isn’t outlawed in Russia; they can follow the same playbook. Just as abortion is legal in states where they make it so close to impossible to obtain one that it might as well be.

  5. Chime, maybe they can raise money from guys by taxing how often they have sex. And also tax them at $1 an inch, so someone with 9 inches will be charged $9 a fuck times how many times they fuck a month. Call it a sex tax. No one would want to admit to having a little Willie and not having sex so it’ll raise billions. With a rebate of course for lol queen’s who only take it up the arse. Couples who swing both ways will not get any rebates so dims will have to look for sun’s to pay money. Wanking or blowjobs are at av80% discount. I know I’m talking shite but so are fundamentalists every time they open their mouth. Their was a spoof programme in Scotland 5 years ago that filled a lot of people it was on a news programme on 1st April and said that the Scottish Government was going to raise money by a toilet tax. With 10p a flush with a refused rate for people with chronic diarrhea and a rebate for people with constipation. One liberal Councillor was on twitter moaning about it. What a fucking idiot.

  6. The religious Right appears intent on criminalising Gay Sex again milkboys 2018-08-06 News …
    — The “literal” reading of legal documents is one thing. The USA CONSTITUTION is NOT a ‘legal document”. It is not something to read “literally”. It is the means to define all legality in the USA, legal documents inclusive. It is of use to define all legal documents and issues.
    — Just as the USA does not “define” itself nor of definition. It is the over all the ONE above and beyond all states and any other bits and pieces. Please recall Abraham Lincoln’s defining the civil war ! The USA is not yours to break off from on your own peculiar feel. (“You agreed to its origin and made your inclusion and most do not disagree. Hence, it is as it is as its whole and must be so defended”) (fuck the slaves. Abe does declare them free by use of war time MARSHALL LAW. Fuck the property owners [and Confederate support by British banks]).
    — Freaks on the USA Supreme Court can defiantly confuse, just as they do during LINCOLN’s presidency, and, Roosevelt’s.
    — Making homos illegal again is a horrific. We already have NAMBLA now as a cop site. Anything imgsrc.ru is of the cop’s overseeing. (They call me twice a month, to, uh, check on me. No go there any more for a over a year.) GOOGLE and other search sites and e-male providers already over see and delete you if and as any of THE “THEY” decide.
    — We already have gun toting cops, local and 100 other of the various and many gun tote agencies or divisions demanding gun control. THE ‘THEY” also tote guns, private and secret. YOU are to not to be even with a gun.
    — GET THE DRIFT ?
    — ROBOT sites like DISQUS and DISCORD now have GRINDR as a compete. [And a president to boot. So to say. ha ha ]

  7. The religious Right appears intent on criminalising Gay Sex again milkboys 2018-08-06 News …
    — The hundreds of versions of cops tote guns we cannot have as they rape males and females at their pleasure and sell drugs for the love and do kill as need. WE get GUN CONTROL. Depend not on the Supreme Court.
    — The USA constitution is not, repeat, n-o-t, a legal document. IT oversees and DEFINES, as well as defies, anything “legal”.
    — The Supreme Court has many a freak, historically. May be this new mix will make us make our closets clean again and make dirty other ways. May be street boys will become, uh, more, uh, popular.
    — do meet religious right faggots in bars. GO FIGURE.

  8. Ffs. I can’t correct any mistakes if it takes over an hour or two to appear. So my mistakes/corrections Chime/Chimel, guys/gays, lol/lol, dims/doms, suns/subs, av/an, Their/There, filled/folled, refused/reduced, God, why does it takes hours to see anything you post. I can’t correct from memory. BTW this was posted at 1 8.30 BST which is 19.30 CET. So I wonder what time it will say on the post?

    1. @whiterabbit

      Stardate -304403.1380961442 But then again a Time Lord would say it’s irrelevant.

  9. — The US of A is NOT of some land mere. The USA is inclusive of and an our explout as some expanse of land we originally say so that it is its own as a NATION. All within are beneath its eminent domain as we agree to its origin. If enough can make it different, then, so be that, when, and, how, ever. The idea that any one is merely legally different than others has NOTHING to do with either the NATION nor its CONSTITUTION. LEGALITY is not of the USA CONSTITUTION reality. THE USA CONSTITUTION nor the USA itself is of any legal authority nor meaning. Such makes legality even possible.
    — Read the makers’ works and find out. Hard work but worth the working read.
    — Legal homo is a political thing. No street boy ever meet is ever legal but is real anyway.

    1. As Madelyn Murray O-Hair discovers, “The United States is not a Christian Nation.” This is of a USA Treaty, an agreement with north African nations. USA TREATIES are of the USA CONSTITUTION, as such says so, thusly. All TREATIES are CONSTITUTIONALLY automatic and with the enforce of sovereignty above all subsequent mere legalities. The USA CONSTITUTION is NOT a legal document. It subsumes all legalities.
      — Still love those all lovers who can do love no more.

  10. Just going off topic some what, is it just me or does this new server seem slooooooooooooow?

  11. Americans (both right- and left-wing) who actually believe they live in some kind of a fascist state that is out to get them will never cease to amuse me.

  12. Yes slowserver, even though it appeared that it was 1 minute later when my text appeared from when I said I posted it, in reality it still had not appeared 1 hour later and when I checked 3 hours after that it appeared. So going by that it is between 1 and 4 hours before your text appears. So the 4 minutes click to edit is a waste of time. Especially for spelling errors. 6.46 BST. Not that that will make any difference. It’ll still lappear on screen 7.47 CET even if it’s still not appeared by 9.00 BST.

  13. — FASCISM comes from the ROMAN fasces symbolizing “TOGETHER AS ONE WE SHALL RULE”.
    — The ROMAN fasces, a bunch of sticks of a tie together, has a blade to the right of the bunch, a no mere accident.
    — The fasce originally is a “we”. The blade illustrates a Rome as the “we rule” by any’s death if any dare defy. Slavery is the result otherwise.
    — The AZTEC MUD PEOPLE collect tax and hearts by such rule. The rest get put to work. Columbus advises slavery. It is already there. To think the New World Indians as some innocents is as absurd as thinking the 14 Chinese Walls are of volunteers at work.
    — Slavery is 10,000 years before any African specialty. And, Africans also do have their various conquerors making slavery … how else any know of it ? Muslims find it and equally specialize in sales. Then come the Portuguese and … … …
    — FEAR of fascism and fear of ROMAN RULE is as AMERICAN as its creators. That America has its Fascists is as new as from its create. Nothing is perfect. We oft fear the worse.
    — BOYS with BOYS having SEX is as new as horny. Common wild animals do it.
    — From where do you think the phrase “mother fucker” comes from ? Animals do it. YES. Yes they do.
    — Human SEX SLAVERY is also equally, uh, not new. SEX SLAVEBOYS exist as the more common SEX SLAVEGIRLS do. Think otherwise ? Consider temple whores and any other form of, uh, street sex.
    —- Why is street sex illegal? The fascists with the blade [now with the gun].

  14. Brother Sorrows. I think it was Cartage that girls even before mensuration were temple sex slaves. That’s where they lost their virginity. They more beautiful ones whee paid in gold, (most of which went to the temple priests… they got a %age.) The plainer ones had to wait there turn and were paid in silver. The ugly ones in copper, and the hideous ones were sent gone in disgrace as virgins.

    BTW my texts are still not through over 8 hours later.

  15. Someone said the temperature today was 40°C. I thought it was warm here in Scotland at 23°C. The sweat was running down the cheeks of my arse.

    I’m a typical Scot, “Pelly Wally”. Fair skin and hair with blue eyes. We don’t tan, we burn. Turn into lobsters and peel. Not nice. Sometimes I envy the Southern Europeans and their swarthy looks. Plus the foods better. Everything here is deep fried with potatoes cabbage bread and nobody can open a bottle of booze without finishing it. We’re a nation of drunks. You can’t sleep at night because it’s 4 hours long and never her dark. In winter it never really gets light No wonder we’re all depressed.

  16. POOR girls as whore bait exists all over the world. POOY BOYS similarly.
    — As a mere example, realize the Japanese using, over 500 years, poor women and female war captures, such as Koreans, as whores. This is not unlike their boy whores, also poor. The USA criminalizes boy whore houses in Japan after WWII. Not the other.
    — You think of CARTHAGE. Forget you ROME ?
    — You ought not ignore the boys of rape and killing by the South Americans.
    — DO ask “why is street sex illegal” and suggest the ones who tote the guns we are not to have are some how a cause. It is worse than that.

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