Trump’s terrifying new policy to eliminate transgender rights

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The Trump administration is considering legally defining gender as based on biological sex at birth, The New York Times reported Sunday, in a move that could effectively reverse transgender rights put into place under Barack Obama.

A draft memo, written by the Department of Health and Human Services last spring and obtained by the Times, argues that the government needs to have a uniform definition of gender. “Sex means a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth,” the memo says. “The sex listed on a person’s birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person’s sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence.”

The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million Americans who have opted to recognise themselves — surgically or otherwise — as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth.

“This takes a position that what the medical community understands about their patients — what people understand about themselves — is irrelevant because the government disagrees,” said Catherine E. Lhamon, who led the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights in the Obama administration and helped write transgender guidance that is being undone.

It’s not the first time the White House has sought to roll back gains for transgender people that occurred during the previous administration. Last year, the Trump administration moved to ban transgender people from serving in the military and challenged transgender civil rights protections under existing health care law. According to the Times, multiple agencies have since withdrawn Obama-era policies that recognised gender identity.

Earlier this year a new study found that trans people are likely genetically different from people who aren’t trans.

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  1. “Earlier this year a new study found that trans people are likely genetically different from people who aren’t trans.”

    Yes, there probably are behavioural genetical differences between males and females (where “male” and “female” doesn’t have to be the sex assigned at birth). Meaning that both liberals and conservatives are wrong on this.

    1. The differences that have been found are (I think) largely in brain structure, not genetics in the sense of inheritance. In other words, those with gender dysphoria tend to be born part-way toward the opposite gender, perhaps from congenitally acquired conditions. However I think that it’s our post-gender (i.e. feminist, gender-integrated) culture which influences those with gender dysphoria to want to go all the way with surgery and hormones. It used to be that in the gender-segregated era, you could simply dress half-way toward the gender you wanted to be associated with, and you’d be considered gender non-conforming i.e. a male but not a man, and everyone knew what that was and in some cultures they were positively valued for their unique traits.

  2. “The Trump administration is considering legally defining gender as based on biological sex at birth, The New York Times reported Sunday, in a move that could effectively reverse transgender rights put into place under Barack Obama.”

    This sentence is misleading. Obama didn’t change any laws to change the definition and Trump won’t be either, if he puts the policy in place. It’s all being done through executive orders, which can be changed at the whim of who-ever happens to be president. They aren’t changing the legal definition of “gender”, they’re dictating how the government will interpret the word until either congress passes a law that defines it or a supreme court decision sets a precedent for the definition.

    It’s fine to rail against this change, but it would be more effective to convince your representatives in the house and senate to pass a law to make definition permanent (for those that live in the US, anyway).

  3. Bigotry is rooted in ignorance, and that’s the problem here. Is gender dysphoria a bona-fide randomly occurring variation from the norm, like being left-handed or homosexual, or is it merely another form of schizophrenia where the patient believes he’s who or what he ain’t. There is evidence on both sides. We’re ignorant – we don’t know for sure. Enquiring minds want to know, and it’s up to the guys in the white lab coats, thick black glasses, clipboards and pocket protectors to put this issue to bed once and for all.

    Enter the law. It is not the place for government to subsidize voluntary, deliberate derangement with compulsory societal accommodation. But if this is indeed a case of natural occurrence, and not wishful thinking or wanna-be fantasy, then it is the place of the law to protect these people, and even make reasonable accommodations for them. Keep in mind everyone’s rights end where another’s rights begin.

    So, until the shrinks and the quacks finally come to an entirely factual, defendable conclusion, completely bereft of any and all ‘politically correct’ contamination, what are we to do in the meantime? Reasonable toleration works for me. Bathrooms – yes, locker rooms – no. Mandatory forms of address – no, the 1st Amendment covers that. Discrimination in housing or jobs – no, we all have the right to live and work. Service in the armed forces – some 15,000 transgenders already do, and aside from the abominable traitor Bradley Manning (who should have been shot or hanged at Ft. Leavenworth for violating the Espionage Act), they all appear to be loyal defenders of the Constitution, so that’s a definite yes. Insurance or Medicaid coverage for hormone treatments and surgery – no, until we know for sure they’re needed and not just wanted. And so on down the line.

    1. “and aside from the abominable traitor Bradley Manning (who should have been shot or hanged at Ft. Leavenworth for violating the Espionage Act),”

      That alone disqualifies you to publicly comment with the intent of influencing people on this subject. You clearly don’t know the facts [let alone ALL the facts], so what you stated is nothing but bigotry. What was it YOU JUST SAID?

      “Bigotry is rooted in ignorance, and that’s the problem here.”

      You’re behaving exactly like the pathological liar, Trump — you don’t even know when you’ve said any truth or facts — and you are most definitely part of the problem here.

  4. ” It is not the place for government to subsidize voluntary, deliberate derangement with compulsory societal accommodation. ”

    Well, there goes tax relief for churches………

    1. That’s a Constitutional thing – taxing churches would burden the “free exercise” of religion guaranteed by the 1st Amendment.

      I like your system. The monarch is head of state and head of the church – Queen Elizabeth II is both Pope and Caesar to her subjects. On top of that, she also gets to be Fidei Defensor – Defender of the Faith. I wish she was also Empress of India, but that’s another thread. (Yeah, among the closets I hide in, I’m also a closet monarchist.)

      1. You have to pardon us. We Europeans sometimes forget that your Constitution is like a holy text to you Americans. One holy text defending another one; quite funny when you think of it, don’t you agree?

        1. The Constitution is political Scripture – a ‘New Testament’ of sorts. Enabled by, and in the footsteps of the Declaration of Independence – call it the ‘Old Testament,’ it enshrines and protects the rights granted us by our Creator.

          If the “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” mentioned in the DOI, and spelled out in the Bill of Rights, is sourced within government, those freedoms may then be revoked by government. What government gives, government may take away. However, if they are sourced within Deity, government no longer has the standing, competence or the jurisdiction to meddle with them. The 2nd and 10th Amendments are clear warnings to the federal government to tread lightly.

          The Constitution may be amended by super-majorities in Congress and the States, and has been, however, the Bill of Rights has been correctly considered “off the table” when agenda-driven loons attempt to subvert “original intent.”

          “Proclaim Liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof,” – Leviticus 25:10

          “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” – Thomas Paine (or Edward Abbey)

          1. And Horselips steps up to prove my point. Our constitution clearly says it derives its power from the people. It does not say it comes from a deity. The founding fathers were deists, the closest thing to an atheist existing at the time.

      2. Queen is head of Church of England only – she can get stuffed as far as Scotland is concerned. That’s important if you’re British.
        Fortunately, within the U.K. (and Western Europe) religion has had it’s day – except for Islam within the immigrant community plus of course our own minority fundamentalist Christians and Jews. I do hope the Islamic thing will reduce in time when the newcomers become better educated.
        The religious anomaly in the western world remains the USA. Weirdness indeed.

      3. “That’s a Constitutional thing – taxing churches would burden the “free exercise” of religion guaranteed by the 1st Amendment. ”

        You’re an absolute LIAR. The Constitution does NOT state anywhere that religious organizations should get any favor whatsoever. PERIOD.

        And, NO, it wouldn’t “burden the ‘free exercise’ of religion …. where the fuck do you get these absolutely STUPID ideas? Does paying taxes “burden the ‘free exercise’ of people working and raising a family?” If it “burdened” religion, then ALL taxes would EQUALLY “BURDEN” the average person working and raising a family so therefore there would be NO taxes whatsoever.

        See? I’m not even a lawyer and I can tear apart your IGNORANT RELIGIOUSLY FAVORED CLAIMS.

  5. I strongly suspect a lot of these are/could be Russian “bots” to divide Americans. Just like they’re DOING RIGHT NOW for this year’s election.

    milkboys needs to comb through these for possible “hacking” by those such as Russians. It isn’t just politics alone that they are trying to influence.

    1. I wasn’t taking the comment seriously at all…. I just thought it was funny it had the Canadian flag next to it when it looked like it was made by someone in rural Texas

  6. My dearest, sweetest, all-forgiving Penboy, is everything alright? Are you OK? Many of your recent posts on several threads are filled with anger and insults, and, OMG, the language.

    Your emotional equilibrium has become over-sensitive. Your composure is on a hair trigger – you fly off the handle at the mere suggestion of a point of view other than your own, and while I don’t mind when you attack me, you also strike out at other members of this wonderful site. Our most gracious and handsome moderator, Josh, doesn’t deserve having to read your vitriol.

    Forget mere anger management, you appear to need to start over completely. If you’re suffering under some awful stress, we’re all your friends and we’ll be your support group. Take care. Seek help. Get well soon.

    1. “dearest, sweetest, all-forgiving Penboy, is everything alright? Are you OK? … Take care. Seek help. Get well soon.”

      I’m probably in better health than you are.

      Say it the way it REALLY IS: You’re attempting political correctness to cover your religious lying … i.e., for religious privilege. That’s the basic psych analysis of people like you.

      1. Relax. You’re definitely in better physical health than I am – just concerned about your obviously unraveling composure.

  7. I feel like some are misguided in regards to the New York Times piece. The Trump administration is not changing how gender is decided but how “sex” is interpreted by government institutions. Many people define sex and gender as the same thing but they shouldn’t. In the medical field, sex is very important as male and female bodies vary with important factors, many that can separate life and death. Even outside of these, sex can affect how one becomes legible for certain government programs or perks, free prioritized health checks for the LGBT+ community in Ontario. All we can do really is wait and see what happens in the future. An executive order can be giveth, an executive order can be taketh.

    1. I was going to say something irksome about Trump. For sure I think nothing nice about him 24/7.
      But then — throughout the USA and the U.K. (Westminster) we both have extremely serious problems with politicians.

      Filth guzzling, disingenuous, avaricious, dishonourable, unintelligent and incompetent.

      What to do? We get who we vote for.
      It’s us at fault – not them.

  8. CORBA: The Constitution is the Instrument of Government, and it derives its legitimate authority from the consent of the people, however, the liberties we enjoy, generalized in the Declaration of Independence and spelled out in the Bill of Rights, are presumed to have been granted by a higher authority, and predate the Constitution. It is thus the mission and purpose of government to protect those liberties, not to infringe upon or abridge them. And certainly never to attempt to revoke them. Without Deity, government is no longer subservient to anything, it holds the supreme power, and nothing could be more dangerous to freedom.

    I know, the leadership is elected and a bad government can be voted out of office – but that’s not the point -while bad leaders are in office, great damage can be done. That’s why government must always be relegated to second place, subservient to that higher power, and restrained IN WRITING from going too far.

    As for deism – a product of the Enlightenment – Jefferson, Franklin and Paine were deists, Washington, Patrick Henry, Ethan Allen, and 33 of Washington’s major generals were Christians. (They were also Freemasons, which requires of its brothers a belief in God). There is considerable debate over which others were or were not deists. The French commanders sent to assist the revolution – General the Comte Rochambeau, Admiral Comte D’Estaing, and Admiral Comte deGrasse were all nobles and were thus certainly Catholic. Foreign volunteers like the Marquis de Lafayette, Baron von Steuben and Casimir Pulaski were Christians.

    About Tommy Jefferson – he may have been a deist, but as he made clear in the Declaration of Independence, he believed in a Creator as the source of liberty, “nature’s God” as the source of natural law, and in the firm reliance on “divine providence” for the protection of the Declaration. Deism was far more related to Christianity-Lite, or even agnosticism than atheism.

  9. “The founding fathers were deists, the closest thing to an atheist existing at the time.”

    After reading The Age Of Reason by our most Founding Father, Thomas Paine, I’ve come to the conclusion that the entire deism/deist routine is nothing more than a societal ‘code’ for atheism/atheist or at the very least, agnostics so that there would be no societal repercussions declaring oneself.

    Think about it — what’s the purpose of “believing” in a “god” that went through all the trouble of “creating” Earth, etc, just to have this “god” dissipate into thin air? What “god” would do that?

    Ergo, there is NO “god.”

    1. You make the critical mistake of subjecting God to the vagaries of human understanding. You cannot evaluate God according to human criteria. As a mortal man, you have neither the standing or the competence to question or judge anything He does or doesn’t do.

      “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways.” – Isaiah 55:8-9

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