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National history was made at the U.S. Supreme Court today as the highest court in the land ruled that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to legally marry, in all 50 states and Puerto Rico. This makes the USA the 20th country in the world achieving marriage equality.


Word of the 5-to-4 decision in Obergefell v. Hodges spread like lightning across all forms of social media, as rainbow memes, pro-marriage cat videos and #LoveWins hashtags zoomed the news around the world in seconds.

Within three hours of the announcement, same sex couples in Georgia started getting married, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Emma Foulkes and Petrina Bloodworth of Atlanta received the first marriage license for a gay couple in Fulton County.

Impromptu celebrations sprung-up across the nation, outside the landmark Stonewall Inn in New York City, where riots by LGBT patrons 46 years ago next week are credited with igniting the modern gay rights movement. Bisexuals and trans couples celebrated as well.

In its ruling, the Court determined that the U.S. Constitution does indeed require states to allow same-sex marriages, effectively striking down existing bans in the 13 states and Puerto Rico, and requires every state in the nation to recognize marriage equality.

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  1. This is NOT VICTORY.

    Victory is no one can remember ANY child / teen / young adult harming themselves over ANY gender issue.

    Victory is the FDA/CDC keeping HIV specialists on staff though there has been no confirmed diagnosis for over two decades.

    Victory is boys & boys, girls & girls go to prom, etc. WITHOUT spectacle or media “lookit” nonsense.

    Victory COULD be many things… THIS IS NOT VICTORY.

    It’s just a court ruling.

    “Law of the Land” does not / has never and CAN NOT dictate local governmental conduct OR ameliorate societal prejudice OR protect those MOST at risk.

    See Also: People of Color and the struggle for Civil Rights TO THIS DAY… Civil Rights Act of NINETEEN SIXTY FOUR just solved everything… right?

    A ruling permanently removing Cannabis from Schedule 1 would have been of FAR greater benefit to ALL “Americans”.

    9 old Luddites in ugly black sack dresses; what could RATIONALLY be expected.

    i personally consider many of the celebrations to be profoundly deluded…

    HATE AWAY! – self loathing seems an ongoing specialty within the Queer Community.

    FULL DISCLOSURE: I am VERY queer, despise this political construct masquerading as a system of government and “see with eyes unclouded” (apologies to MiyazakiSan).

    Thanks Josh… you are a SOURCE.

    1. ” ‘Law of the Land’ does not / has never and CAN NOT dictate local governmental conduct …”

      You clearly don’t know jack shit about laws and judicial rulings.

      1. @Penboy

        And to backup your comment here is an absolutely perfect example. In states where medical pot was accepted the DEA was still going after anyone who used medical pot or stores that had a LEGAL STATE LICENCE to sell medical pot. So, FEDS were still ignoring state laws.

    2. The gay liberation movement included lovers of boys, who fought through a much rougher time period for gay men (who always got more hostility from the right wing than lesbians). Those boy-lovers fought alongside gay men through the 1980s while the feminists were busy with Marxism. The feminists started transitioning into the new LGBT movement around 1990 but first they had to brutally ditch the boy-lovers by tag-teaming with the right wing. If men had been left with a voice in LGBT, they would have opted to destroy marriage for all – which would have been the right course. But as most LGBT couples with children are lesbian couples (by 4:1 factor for unmarried LGBT couples with a partner), and because values of “commitment” and monogamy seem to be evolutionary for females while being totally un-evolutionary for males, of course we are getting gay marriage now. If there is marriage for straight couples, there should be marriage for all – including polygamy. I don’t want to be prevented from marrying but neither am I eager to marry. This may be a true victory for some, but for us it’s a shallow one, and one which has come at a very high price to us and mostly to benefit someone else (women).

  2. You’re FINALLY back online.

    The BEST part of this SC ruling is this:

    Thank you Justice Kennedy, even though you are generally “conservative.” You have just shown (along with the other 4 “liberal Justices”) that religion has been, is now, and will be, relegated to the “back room” when it comes to social justice and equality.

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      Was just luck, I was trying to pay the server bill for a couple of days now but couldn’t due to a problem with their payment provider. The host was nice enough to let us back online anyway and we’ll figure out the problems with the payment provider after the weekend.

  3. A bit of political philosophy, to whit: Excepting military and foreign policy, interstate commerce and infrastructure, coining money and the postal service, when the issue is Federal power versus States’ rights, I side with the States; when it’s States’ rights versus Individual liberty, I side with the Individual. Which means this ruling is a good thing.

    However, I’m still staying deep inside my closet, very happy to live 2 exciting lives when most mortals are condemned to live just one, often as Descartes observed, of quiet desperation. I also feel for those who do not drink – when they wake up in the morning, that’s the best they’re going to feel all day. Rock on…

      1. I’m not lying to anybody. My private life is exactly that- private. Nobody asks, and I don’t tell. That simple.

        1. @Horselips

          Damn, still in the closet? Why? I was in that god damn closet until my late 40s. During all those years I didn’t know who or what I was. Almost killed me. I could go into some sad details but it’s irrelevant. Zenji is right. You are living two lives. Such a waste of whom you really could be. Privacy? Really? Remember the movie “Philadelphia”? In it there’s a scene where the character that Tom Hanks plays describes what was being said around him about fags and on and on. He would even join it just to hide who he really was. Is that the kind of life you want? Laugh with the bigots with their bigoted jokes or maybe be yourself and tell them to shut the fuck up because you also are a human being. Too many kids have died for you to stay hidden and not be vocal in what is called the real life. I can tell you for a fact that I have told exactly what I thought to some people wanting to tell me how bad homo was.

          Look, I don’t go swishing around. I dress normally and I don’t even have a pink tshirt though that just might change. LOL My sexual identity comes up only if someone talks to me about gays either in a positive or negative way. Just so they understand my comment comes from someone that is there and not a wanna be expert.

          Would you lose friends if you came out? Good. Those are simply doorstops in your life. Would you lose family? Good. Their loss not yours. You still have the option to leave a bridge behind if they want to reconnect but making it quite clear YOU will NOT take the first step.

          Would it put you in financial difficulty? Even that might not be a good enough reason to keep hiding in that closet.

          About my not being a wanna be expert. I had a friend that I have knows since we were kids. When I finally came out to him it was after a suicide attempt. He started telling me that it must be because I had defective genes. Also being a bible thumper he said god would send me to hell. Since I don’t have a passport I’m sure I’m safe as to where I’ll go. Anyway I told him that the only defective genes I had were the pair of jeans I had on. Didn’t make him happy. Never hear from him again.

          I remember my being pissed off at you for some of the replies you gave here and there in other threads. I guess that closet of yours explains some of those replies you had.

          1. I like being with the women in my life (my romantic preference is straight) and I like being with both the straight and gay men in my life (they really have entirely different worlds of interests). My sexual preference is …well… there really isn’t one. I like that too. I am not in any sort of committed relationship so I’m not ‘cheating’ on anyone. Since my teenage years, I have enjoyed separate circles of friends, the really fun times were when boys I were intimate with were also able to interact and ‘pass’ with me. No harm, no foul, just yet another lifestyle choice. And no, my straight male friends don’t spend their time ragging on gays, telling hurtful bigoted jokes, or cruising for queer boys to beat up. We tell far more jokes about wives, girlfriends, and drinking than any other kind. I have chosen my friends with some care, and there is no uncomfortable hypocrisy within my relationships.

            I am sorry you’re time in the closet was so dreadful, and I sincerely hope you never try to hurt yourself again. I have concluded it’s the combination of my love of (and success with) women, which accompanies my irresistible (and wildly successful) lust for men … I am, for better or worse, truly bisexual … that has spared me the crushing pressures incumbent with being simply homosexual. The only emotional and intellectual issue I have yet to satisfactorily resolve is reconciling my disparate desires with the Holy Bible and the Holy Catholic Church. Much study, prayer and reflection has been lavished on the conundrum, with much more to come. Again, for better or worse, I have experienced my epiphany, and I am a believer. Jesus Christ is the resurrected, living Son of God, and with the Father and the Holy Ghost, He is God. Impossible? Yes, but nevertheless, true. Perhaps Khalil Gibran said it best, “Faith is an oasis in the heart, that will never be reached by the caravan of thinking.”

    1. I’m putting this here so it reads better (hint, hint, joshua!)


      “I am sorry you’re time in the closet was so dreadful, …”

      You’re trying to rail against our northern friend with that ignorant statement, yet he’s come to terms with himself and expressed as much.

      Really, horsey, have you forgotten that this site is for helping teens with alternate sensibilities toward sex and sexuality (not to mention sensuality as well)?

      If you have, then STOP LYING about all that religious BULLSHIT and trying to lead all the teens that come here into more ambiguity of life experiences.

      “Jesus Christ is the resurrected, living Son of God, and with the Father and the Holy Ghost, He is God. Impossible? Yes, but nevertheless, true.”

      The above quote by you is a BLATENT LIE. How do I and millions of others KNOW THIS? THERE IS NO EVIDENCE (AND NEVER HAS BEEN) supporting such an IGNORANT and RIDICULOUS clam. If you say there is any evidence, then you are spreading EVEN MORE BLATEN LIES. (Sorry, it seems our recent past reconciliation and agreement times are now over.)


      “The only emotional and intellectual issue I have yet to satisfactorily resolve is reconciling my disparate desires with the Holy Bible and the Holy Catholic Church.”

      Here’s an intellectual thought. Instead of chastising someone else for their reasoning and common sense, how about instead, you go about “reconciling [your] disparate desires” FIRST, then start learning the TRUTH of REALITY?


      “Much study, prayer and reflection has been lavished on the conundrum, with much more to come.”

      Conundrum? That’s putting it mildly, at best. Call a horse a horse and a spade a spade. Conundrum? No, it’s PURE BULLSHIT.

      How about this for “reflection to be lavished on this conundrum” — Start watching the NUMEROUS videos on YouTube (for starters and it’s FREE!) of three of the better scientists of our time:

      1. Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, THE Astrophysicist of our time and a wonderfully entertaining EDUCATOR of SCIENCE (you know, that “neutral stuff” that TRULY EXPLAINS this wonderful planet and everything contained in and on it).

      2. Bill Nye, the “Science Guy” who has taught millions of young people across this great country over the many years. You can START with his great debate with that kangaroo-hopping “creationist” Ken Ham that thinks he has a “true museum” showing dinosaurs with humans — and get this, dinosaurs with saddles!
      (And while you’re at it, ask yourself just HOW did those kangaroos find their way to Australia.)

      3. Professor Richard Dawkins who has explained in his several books how TRUE and NECESSARY EVOLUTION has been for this planet.

      So, horsey, try educating yourself FIRST before you attempt to put someone else down in or out of any gay closet.

      Btw, YOU’RE IN YOUR OWN SECONDARY CLOSET AS WELL — It’s called the closet of ATHEISM ….. GO AHEAD, PEEK OUT THE DOOR, you’ll actually find your inner self without any stupid religious crutches AND LIES.

      You’re welcome. :-)

  4. In a few days , we , where I live, will have a full week of gay pride festivities. Nothing new. Just something having happened for many years now, BUT this year we have something awesome. Instead of the usual crosswalk it’s a gay pride flag! Yes, that very rainbow flag. Even better yet they made it with permanent colors the same used for white and yellow lines.

    About that court decision. It was 5 to four decision. That is awfully thin margin. I wish people understood what a court is all about. Supposedly it is about laws. Ok, fine. But what about when it comes to laws telling you or your neighbour he or she can’t be the person they want to be? Well, then it’s not a protection but a restriction. Laws should never take away who we are. Laws like that belong in dictatorships and nowhere else.

  5. Ruling brought tears to my eyes. Now, let us inch, ever so slowly, toward the same recognition for man-boy love. Some day. Some day.

    1. I can’t be with you on pedophilia. Prepubescent boys are better left to other prepubescent boys. They’ve got that doctor game pretty well figured out on their own. Now, ephebophilia is whole different thing. If there’s ‘grass on the field,’ play ball! I was energetically and enthusiastically sexually active years before I reached the age of consent.

  6. Sorry this is so long, but I thought you might like to know where the Republican Presidential candidates stand re: same-sex marriage.

    Jeb Bush (their token Bush ad naseum)
    “To imagine how we are going to succeed in our country unless we have committed family life, committed child-centered family system, is hard to imagine. We need to be stalwart supporters of traditional marriage.”

    Ben Carson (their token black that purports to be “intelligent”)
    “My thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established fundamental pillar of society. And no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association,) be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.” — Ben Carson, director of Johns Hopkins Hospital’s Division of Pediatric Neurosurgery, said during an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity.

    Ted Cruz (their token non-Latino-looking Latino #1)
    “Under President Obama, the federal government has tried to re-define marriage, and to undermine the constitutional authority of each state to define marriage consistent with the values of its citizens. The Obama Administration should not be trying to force gay marriage on all 50 states. We should respect the states, and the definition of marriage should be left to democratically elected legislatures, not dictated from Washington.”
    Cruz filed a constitutional amendment on April 23 that he said would guarantee Americans’ right to define marriage as a man-woman union and restrain judges from requiring that “marriage or its benefits” be extended to other types of unions.

    Carly Fiorina (their token uber-rich female)
    “The debate about gay marriage is really a debate about how the government bestows benefits and whether they should be bestowed equally. I believe they should. I also believe that people of religious conviction know that marriage is a religious institution with a spiritual foundation because only a man and a woman can create life, which is a gift that comes from God. We must protect their rights as well.”

    Lindsey Graham (their token deep-closeted gay that continues to make laws against all gays — “ambiguously gay”)
    Senator Graham opposes same-sex marriage and voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act in 2013.
    “I am a proud defender of traditional marriage and believe the people of each state should have the right to determine their marriage laws. However, the Supreme Court has ruled that state bans on gay marriage are unconstitutional, and I will respect the Court’s decision. Furthermore, given the quickly changing tide of public opinion on this issue, I do not believe that an attempt to amend the U.S. Constitution could possibly gain the support of three-fourths of the states or a super-majority in the U.S. Congress.”

    Mike Huckabee (their token religious pastor)
    “I’m not against anybody. I’m really not. I’m not a hater. I’m not homophobic. But I believe marriage should be between one man and one woman is being ‘on the right side of the Bible.'”
    “But … when people say, ‘Why don’t you just kind of get on the right side of history?’ I said, ‘You’ve got to understand, this for me is not about the right side or the wrong side of history, this is the right side of the Bible, and unless God rewrites it, edits it, sends it down with his signature on it, it’s not my book to change.’ Folks, that’s why I stand where I stand.”

    Bobby Jindal (their token non-white-looking “immigrant” that was lucky enough to actually be born here)
    “The Supreme Court decision today conveniently and not surprisingly follows public opinion polls, and tramples on states’ rights that were once protected by the 10th Amendment of the Constitution. Marriage between a man and a woman was established by God, and no earthly court can alter that. This decision will pave the way for an all out assault against the religious freedom rights of Christians who disagree with this decision. This ruling must not be used as pretext by Washington to erode our right to religious liberty. The government should not force those who have sincerely held religious beliefs about marriage to participate in these ceremonies. That would be a clear violation of America’s long held commitment to religious liberty as protected in the First Amendment. I will never stop fighting for religious liberty and I hope our leaders in D.C. join me.”
    “The Supreme Court is completely out of control, making laws on their own, and has become a public opinion poll instead of a judicial body. If we want to save some money lets just get rid of the court.

    George Pataki
    Pataki has changed from anti-gay marriage (but pro-gay rights) to pro-choice and pro-gay marriage as of Feb, 2015.
    On same-sex marriage, Pataki believes the issue should be left up to the states. Pataki’s personal position on gay marriage currently is unclear. As governor, he did not support gay marriage and has never publicly changed his stance.

    Rand Paul
    “I’m for traditional marriage. I think marriage is between a man and a woman. Ultimately, we could have fixed this a long time ago if we just allowed contracts between adults. We didn’t have to call it marriage, which offends myself and a lot of people.” Rand Paul responded when asked about his position on same-sex marriage.

    Rick Perry (their token Texan homophobe that seems to love Brokeback leather jackets)
    “Texans spoke loud and clear by overwhelmingly voting to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman in our Constitution, and it is not the role of the federal government to overturn the will of our citizens. The 10th Amendment guarantees Texas voters the freedom to make these decisions, and this is yet another attempt to achieve via the courts what couldn’t be achieved at the ballot box. We will continue to fight for the rights of Texans to self-determine the laws of our state.”
    Perry compared alcoholism and homosexuality, suggesting that homosexual could be treated with therapy not to engage in their ‘lifestyle.’

    Marco Rubio (their token non-Latino-looking Latino #2)
    “I believe that marriage, as the key to strong family life, is the most important institution in our society and should be between one man and one woman. People who disagree with the traditional definition of marriage have the right to change their state laws. That is the right of our people, not the right of the unelected judges or justices of the Supreme Court. This decision short-circuits the political process that has been underway on the state level for years.”
    Rubio puts out the rhetoric that a decision like this is “not the right of the unelected judges or justices of the Supreme Court.” This coming from the man who once argued that God should be in government because “God is everywhere at every time.” He said this to a group that offers a “pray the gay away” program.

    Donald Trump (their token billionaire white-hot toupée lover — Oh, that’s NOT a toupée? My bad.)
    “Are you for gay marriage?” Howard Stern asked. “No I’m not,” responded Trump. “It’s never been an argument that’s been discussed with me very much. People know it’s not my thing, one way or the other. I just don’t feel good about it. I don’t feel right about it.”

    Rick Santorum (their token incredibly stupid {even more than the rest} religious nut-case)
    “Today, five unelected justices decided to redefine the foundational unit that binds together our society without public debate or input. Now is the people’s opportunity respond because the future of the institution of marriage is too important to not have a public debate. The Court is one of three co-equal branches of government and, just as they have in cases from Dred Scott** to Plessy, the Court has an imperfect track record. The stakes are too high and the issue too important to simply cede the will of the people to five unaccountable justices.”
    “We had a United States Supreme Court say that the only reason you could possibly oppose changes in gay marriage laws in America, is that you hate people of the same sex who want to marry. “Now that is not true, that’s a decision based on a lie. It’s a decision based on fundamental untruths and yet it is the law of the land.” Santorum said while speaking at the Western Conservative Summit in Denver, Colorado on Friday evening.
    In an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd at his campaign headquarters in Iowa, Santorum said there needs to be one marriage law for all 50 states. When asked if he would make same-sex couples get divorced, he responded, “Well their marriage would be invalid. If the constitution says ‘marriage is this,’ then people whose marriages are not consistent with the constitution … (shrug.) I’d love to think that there was another way of doing it.”

    ** In Dred Scott v. Sanford, the Court ruled that Scott, a slave at the time in Missouri, could not sue for his freedom. Additionally, Chief Justice Roger Taney’s majority opinion asserted that African-Americans, whether then enslaved or free, were not American citizens and therefore had no legal standing.

    One last thing about “Santorum” from the Urban Dictionary:
    santorum: The sometimes frothy, usually slimy, amalgam of lubricant, stray fecal matter, and ejaculate that leaks out of the receiving partner’s anus after a session of anal intercourse. Named, by popular demand and usage, after legislator Rick Santorum because of his homophobic political statements.
    That move was about as slick as santorum!


    … and a couple more who’s not worth mentioning

    1. My Dream Team (so far, anyway) is Scott Walker or Jeb Bush for President and Carly Fiorina for Veep. But under no circumstances could I ever vote for Monica Lewinsky’s ex-boyfriend’s wife.

      BTW, Puerto Rico now joins Wyoming, Arizona, Montana, Kansas, Vermont, Arkansas and Alaska in allowing Constitutional Carry – no permit necessary for legally qualified citizens (no convictions for felonies, domestic violence misdemeanors, or adjudicated mental illness) to carry concealed weapons for lawful self-defense. Lock & Load…Rock On.

    2. addendum

      Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (expected to declare his candidacy in July)
      “I believe this Supreme Court decision is a grave mistake. Five unelected judges have taken it upon themselves to redefine the institution of marriage, an institution that the author of this decision acknowledges “has been with us for millennia.” In 2006 I, like millions of Americans, voted to amend our state constitution to protect the institution of marriage from exactly this type of judicial activism. The states are the proper place for these decisions to be made, and as we have seen repeatedly over the last few days, we will need a conservative president who will appoint men and women to the Court who will faithfully interpret the Constitution and laws of our land without injecting their own political agendas. As a result of this decision, the only alternative left for the American people is to support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to reaffirm the ability of the states to continue to define marriage.”

      1. “I believe this Supreme Court decision is a grave mistake. Five unelected judges have taken it upon themselves…”

        The trouble with his thinking is that they weren’t elected. In essence, they were.

        “The President nominates someone for a vacancy on the Court and the Senate votes to confirm the nominee, which requires a simple majority. In this way, both the Executive and Legislative Branches of the federal government have a voice in the composition of the Supreme Court.”

        The senators “elected” them as judges with a simple majority voting now. That’s how elections are won (yes, there is the electoral college but that’s another ball of wax).

        It’s funny how the conservatives always say that the left leaning supreme court justices are activists, but with the Chief Justice siding with the majority in the cases the day before, they are now calling for his impeachment.

        1. @Tinner:
          “The senators “elected” them as judges with a simple majority voting now.”

          That’s 100% correct. It’s amazing how many/much the Republican Party / religious right [members / sic] don’t know the laws of their own States and, of course, our Federal Government put forth by our Constitution and its Amendments.

    3. addendum #2

      Rand Paul (the “progressive” that isn’t so progressive)
      “Since government has been involved in marriage, they have done what they always do — taxed it, regulated it, and now redefined it. It is hard to argue that government’s involvement in marriage has made it better, a fact also not surprising to those who believe government does little right.” the Kentucky senator wrote in an op-ed for Time magazine.

      On a personal level, however, Paul made clear that believes that only one man and one woman can enter into a “marriage,” Politico noted. “I disagree with Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage,” he wrote. “(But) I believe that all Americans have the right to contract.”

      Paul’s plan to privatize marriage rather than share it with gay people is reminiscent of how segregationists reacted to Brown v. Board of Education. Rather than allow their children to go to school with black students, white people throughout the South started private, often religious schools, nicknamed “segregation academies.”

  7. Same-sex marriage tweets takeover the Internet


    World landmarks lit up in rainbow colors


    Republican Presidential Candidates Criticize Supreme Court Same-Sex Marriage Ruling0

    1. The Donald would make a great Secretary of Commerce, but ya know, I wouldn’t mind him as President. With a ruthless, cold-blooded, dispassionate shark like him at the helm, American power and control would soar. He would take the country from mere, garden variety, superpower status all the way to megapower.

      1. Yep, absolutely he would. He’d remodel the statue of liberty with a fake dyed blonde comb-over hairdo to begin with, and make sure the white house bedrooms had Trump beds in every room. I ask you, how could anyone possibly make things anymore American can that?

        Oh wait… They’re made in Communist China… :(

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