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  1. “I thought that everything already did happen.”

    And I thought that some things would never happen. At least not in my life time. Those kids are just plain awesome and have a fierce understanding of the impact of religion on everything life.

  2. ❦Independent thinkers all this group is growing so well.
    Little Mr.Eyebrows saw it so differently before, a voice of others at five and now he can’t wait for college at age seven, what a little learning marvel (ツ) !

  3. Brilliant, disarming video, just perfect, and great to see them two years later. What a cool bunch of kids they selected. One might assume they have enlightened parents who gave permission for them to comment on that topic and go to a progressive school and also live in a relatively advanced community in the US, maybe on the northern West Coast? (Not to say there aren’t other pockets which are socially progressive, if you know what I mean, but it doesn’t sound like Alabama or South Carolina, does it?)

  4. Children are not born with predjuices. Thet must be taught to be that way. Parents are our best teachers and those that wise and kind will raise wise and kind children.And those adults who are mean and closed mined will have mean and closed minded children.

    1. @John:
      “Parents are our best teachers [?] and those that [are] wise and kind will raise wise and kind children. And those adults who are mean and closed mined will have mean and closed minded children.”

      Unfortunately, you just contradicted yourself. Enter RELIGION and CORRUPTED POWER.

      1. @Penboy

        Ever been a parent, Penboy? John is right. Parents are the best teachers simply because kids have, usually, complete and total trust in their parents, no matter what they are being told that is right or wrong. It is also true that parental wisdom is something to be taken into account. You can have god fearing parents that will teach their kids that the golden rule rules above all other rules. Others will teach that having “selective love” or “selective hate” is godly.

        I guess that true wisdom comes when someone is a free thinker, but then again, it doesn’t mean that one will be walking the right path. Parents teaching hate? Don’t blame them. Once they also were kids. Blame the real teacher, the priests and preachers and shamans and on and on. You know, the ones that are supposed to shape a society? Guess what, they do! In their own image. Now you know where to put the blame.

        1. “John is right. Parents are the best teachers simply because kids have, usually, complete and total trust in their parents, no matter what they are being told that is right or wrong.”

          It’s true that children have total trust in their parents. What my [?] is questioning that not all parents are the “best” teachers.

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          “Parents teaching hate? Don’t blame them. Once they also were kids.”

          Absolutely blame the parents who teach hate. [Remember our ‘disagreement’ on the word, “training” some time back?] I don’t give a shit that “Once they also were kids.” As kids mature, they are supposed to learn the truth. They [parents] should have “grown up” and learned properly to pass that so-called “wisdom” on to their children [I’m only referring to those who preach hate, such as for gays and similar — as an example]

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          “Blame the real teacher, the priests and preachers and shamans and on and on.”

          That’s all ‘well and good’, but in fact, if a child nurtures his natural curiosity, it should be natural for him to question what is unreasonable and illogical and seek the proper answer if it’s available through schools and, hopefully, progressive parents. A curious child learning the correct answers will put a stop to those “priests and preachers and shamans and on and on [Again, referring to religion specifically].”

          When I was between 11 and 12 when I was forced to attend Latin-spoken masses of the catholic church, I was constantly questioning not just that ridiculous mass but also many of the sermons. As I grew older to 14 after being “cast out” from the catholic religion to the southern baptist by my mom, I quickly learned [and practiced full-time] “securing a god filter” in my brain every time I went to church or attended any of the baptist events.

          My point is that my own curiosity about life superseded any of (what I recognized to be) the false teaching/sermonizing by either church (and my mother as well regarding “god”). That’s why I’ve been an ATHEIST ever since …. not some wimpy “agnostic” that can’t make my mind up of whether there is any “god” or NOT.

    1. There’s nothing wrong with stating your opinion. My response to you was referring to the “blanket” statement you made.

      If you enter the “conversation”, expect to have your statements (opinions) “called on” …. it happens to me regularly as it happens to most others. Welcome to the Internet!

      I don’t buy the responses that “someone is too young” [on sites like this one as well as most others] or “someone is too sensitive” or others. If you’re going to offer “adult” statements, then accept adult responses.

      Welcome to milkboys. :-)

    2. @John
      “Children are not born with predjuices. They must be taught to be that way. Parents are our best teachers and those that are wise and kind will raise wise and kind children but those who are mean and closed minded will have mean and closed minded children.” (BULLIES!)
      {edited: please forgive…}

      ❦John, by all means do post again, you are a fresh voice at milkboys…much needed here! There are those here that don’t follow the ‘penboy’ party line of railing against God & religion at every chance whether it’s on point or not and berating all that don’t conform to ‘his’ ideal of perfection for comments at milkboys.

      1. ‘Prejudices’ are not only for the religious, especially around here!
        ~Cant believe I missed the misspell above…my bad¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      2. Devil,

        John’s original statement had nothing to do about religion. It was Penboy who brought religion and corrupt powers into the conversation. What would have made me write the same as John did was the response from Penboy: “Unfortunately, you just contradicted yourself.”

        Penboy sometimes has all the finesse and tact of a bull in a china shop. He makes a bold claim but doesn’t explain fully as to how John contradicted himself in his statement. He may reply or shout again: “But I gave the two: RELIGION and CORRUPTED POWER.” But John’s statement doesn’t mention those so how did John contradict himself?

        1. @ Tinner
          “John’s original statement had nothing to do about religion. It was Penboy who brought religion and corrupt powers into the conversation.”
          ☞Yes, I was well aware of that. If you had caught my comment above that one to John you may have seen that,(no offense meant) My sentence regarding prejudices was aimed at pb’s constant barrage against God & religion even when not the topic of the post or even the conversation at hand. Thanks…ƌℯѵιʟ♨

          1. idiot in red:
            “My sentence regarding prejudices was aimed at pb’s constant barrage against God & religion even when not the topic of the post or even the conversation at hand.”

            And I don’t give a fuck what you think about my “constant barrage against God & religion”. And I usually “bring it up” because it’s nearly always the source of our [gays’ and educated peoples’] problems in our [USA, for one] society.

            It’s just problematic that you’re so damn stupid about understanding this incredibly simplistic reasoning.

          2. @ Lord Penboy
            “It’s just problematic that you’re so damn stupid about understanding this incredibly simplistic reasoning…Yada, Yada, Yada!

    3. John, don’t stop posting. If you feel what you said is right stand your ground. If over time your opinion changes don’t fear the change. There is no shame in this.

      1. @Old Dan
        Excellent statement Sir.
        Do let us keep new voices at milkboys to replace all those who’ve left either in apathy, anger, or fear of ridicule…

  5. @Penboy

    Penboy, you are an absolutist. I suspect that you just called me a wimpy agnostic and if this is so I’m laughing. You seem to think that you are all there is when it comes to truth.

    I don’t believe in a god or gods. Still, I can’t prove I’m right. If I said it was absolutely true I’d be lying. Saying is not proof. I’m simply being honest about what I can or can’t prove. One thing I can prove is that religious books are 99.9% bull crap but still not proof.

    So, for me, there is no such thing as a god or gods. Final. Still can’t prove it though. Can you?

    Oh, of course you know about the impossibility of proving the unprovable, right? Of course you do. Like that big invisible rabbit sitting next to you, right? We both know it isn’t real but how can we prove it isn’t there anyway? :-P

    1. @Dan:
      “I suspect that you just called me a wimpy agnostic and if this is so I’m laughing.”

      I’m calling everyone who blindly says “There’s no proof either way.”

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      “Still, I can’t prove I’m right. If I said it was absolutely true I’d be lying.”

      Yes you can … assuming you’ve actually read read enough of that bible to see and understand what was written — thousands of contradictions and how & why it was written. There is not one shred of knowledge about science — but they didn’t care, it [still] serves its purpose. It was clearly written to instil FEAR into the masses — who, back then [and through the last couple of thousand years] were totally illiterate. It was only the churches who possessed any reasonable literate knowledge — and only because they needed to have it so they could continue to LIE and SCARE those illiterate masses with the bullshit that is contained in that book from page one through the end. Even the governments didn’t have the literacy necessary to control the churches … they just needed them (churches, “fear of a god”) so that they could continue to collect enough taxes, again, from the masses. And those tax collections also paid for all those churches, who in turn brought FEAR of “god” and was able to get the minnions to grow the food necessary for both the churches and the government.

      You “can’t prove [you’re] right” most probably because you’re still afraid of Pascal’s Wager — the same way most everyone who “believes” or even “with doubt”.

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      I can prove I’m right simply by pointing out the thousands of passages that are so obviously WRONG AND INTENTIONALLY FALSE, not to mention all of the contradictions.

      Not a single character related to this “god” ever existed or wrote anything in that book. EVERY “god” CHARACTER WAS FABRICATED. How do I know this? Child’s play — there is so much that is FALSE in that book that it simply doesn’t make any reasonable or logical sense and even the catholic church has admitted the FACTS that every “gospel” was written a minimum of 60 to even OVER 150 YEARS AFTER the “death” of this “jesus christ”. And even the first five books of the old testament was not written by any “moses [900 years old, yeah right — and, having offspring when he was 850?].” You’d have to be a incredibly STUPID IDIOT to believe any of that horseshit — or, what is fact today, RELIGIOUS LIARS trying so desperately to “prove” it “true.”

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      “I’m simply being honest about what I can or can’t prove.”
      NO, you’re not — you’re being exactly what I called you (and millions like you) — a wimpy agnostic. Yet, you say, “One thing I can prove is that religious books are 99.9% bullcrap but still not proof.”

      No, that IS PROOF. This “god” is purported to be ALL-KNOWING, ALL-POWERFUL, yet NOTHING that means anything towards any REAL PROOF is true. How is it an ALL-KNOWING “god” doesn’t know jack shit about ANYTHING SCIENTIFIC? And you say, he “INSPIRED” this book to written by humans (btw, the same humans who were “created from dust and ribs”?), yet those humans couldn’t get what this “god told” them? Yeah, right … my ass.

      C’mon Dan, I know you’re not that fucking STUPID … so PROVE you’re not by acknowledging the PURE IDIOCY of this book and how and why it was written. It’s so fucking OBVIOUS to anyone with even a smidgen of intellect. You really don’t want to be put in the same box as our stupid Rick Santorum, do you?

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      “Can you?”

      I just did … and more if you actually read and comprehend the actual context of the entire book.

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      “Oh, of course you know about the impossibility of proving the unprovable, right?”

      Stop showing stupidity … you ARE from Canada, right? You’re supposed to have (or at least show) more common sense about this subject — along the lines of most of Europe and Asia.

      I told you, I just proved it … assuming you possess the minimum amount of reason, logic and common sense.

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      And, NO, there’s no fucking invisible rabbit next to me …. I can see for myself. But, I DID enjoy the hell out of one of our latest movies, Jurassic World and got a huge laugh when they showed the kids in saddles riding the smaller dinosaurs — just like in that stupid Creation Museum in Kentucky (I think). The special effects were stunning …. but no special effect for that rabbit [next to me].

      1. Poor Pascal. You would send him off in a “blaze” of glory now, wouldn’t you? He was simply being honest. Religion is the case of one promoting the unprovable. One can claim what ever he wants and no one can prove him wrong. The problem starts when he is asked to prove his case though.

        A long reply where you proved nothing. Ironically you are making the case for others that don’t believe in the bible that their book must be right. Hilarious. That’s how it works. Go on the mound and call the other religion false by asking it to prove that what it’s saying is the truth while being careful avoiding being asked to prove their side also. Again hilarious.

        We both know the truth but we simply can’t give, and here I apologize for not being more precise in my other reply, scientific proof. Either pro or con. So we are left with what we know deep within. For me that is enough and if that makes some unhappy so be it.

        Don’t forget to feed your invisible rabbit with invisible carrots.

  6. Devil & Old Dan, Thanks for your kind words. I dont generally look to get into fights with others. At my age I am much closer to the end of my life then the beginning and choose to ignore those that need or may deserve ignoring.

    For now, I will be content to look at the pictures and recall my wasted youth and leave others to comment as they wish.

    1. @John
      ❦So evil wins again?
      We’re not all spring chickens round here,(myself included) and rest assured you’re in good company so please do comment, feel free to add your voice, keep milkboys fresh so that all can see that negativity doesn’t always win and maybe more will contribute due to your efforts.
      If you still choose to be a lurker,(like many) it’ll be nice knowing you’re out there still watching our shenanigans!

  7. I’m putting this reply here so it’s more readable.

    @Old Dan:
    “Poor Pascal. … He was simply being honest.”

    No, he wasn’t. He was simply being a person of that era (mid-1600’s) who didn’t know any better and quite frankly, one of the first to posit a view because of “political correctness.” His posit was quite similar to our founding fathers (Thomas Paine, in particular, but also Thomas Jefferson, just to name a couple) being “deists.” Deists believe that “a god created” our universe and the Earth and then left it behind to be as it may — NOT the asinine “personal god” that jews, christians, muslims, mormons and others ‘believe’ in.

    Remember, as our country was being founded in the mid-1700’s, it was 60–100+ years before Charles Darwin publish his book, On The Origin Of Species. And that is critical to understand. If not for their complete ignorance [at that time] of Evolution, I feel (and their writings most definitely bear this out) they would have been agnostics at the very least, if not absolute Atheists.

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    “Religion is the case of one promoting the unprovable.”

    Not only that but is bullshit masquerading as “truth” and demanding power, money and full control of all societies.

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    “One can claim what ever he wants and no one can prove him wrong.”

    If (and I think it is) that is directed at me, then it is pure bullshit. JUST READ THAT BIBLE (for starters). The very nature of how and why it was written prove everything I say about it and religion. To deny this is to accept pure ignorance of the understanding of how books are written and their purpose.

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    “A long reply where you proved nothing.”

    NO, with simple logic, reasoning and common sense, I have proven what I said beyond reproach. The trouble with people like you (and not coincidentally, our entire Republican party), is that you substitute pure ignorance of writings and cultural “beliefs” with the insistance of “political correctness” which has now permeated our societies ad naseum.

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    “Ironically you are making the case … avoiding being asked to prove their side also.”

    That entire paragraph is nothing but bullshit by someone who refuses to accept a fairly obvious truth and clings (again) to political correctness.

    You must have had a really shitty educational experience growing up if you can’t recognize simple bullshit and need to rely on heresay and political correctness.

    I was taught in a very private religious school in Texas, no less and I taught myself at a fairly early age to recognize the religious bullshit and how it was being “taught” [read: indoctrinated]. I also learned how to respond to ignorant (religious) teachings and “parrot back” to them pretty much exactly what they wanted to hear all the while engaging my own personal “god filter” to dispose of the obvious religious banter.

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    “We both know the truth but we simply can’t give, and here I apologize for not being more precise in my other reply, scientific proof.”

    If you really think you know the truth, then it’s time to STAND UP FOR IT AND BREAK OUT OF THAT IGNORANT SHELL you have yourself encased in. I know the truth and have been stating it publicly.

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    “Don’t forget to feed your invisible rabbit with invisible carrots.”

    Damn! I don’t have any invisible carrots … so how about invisible celery sticks instead?

  8. @Penboy

    I have read, though not totally in depth the Bhagavad Gita, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and from first page to last page the Book Of Mormon and the bible amongst a series of religious books. Also a series of new age and philosophy books. Took a class in the last one which by no means makes me a philosopher. I once knew by heart Le Petit Catechisme. I also have a bit of knowledge when it comes to religions through out history though that doesn’t make me an expert. I’ve also read some Rosicrucian books. Just enough to know that what ever passes as Rosicrucian today, at least the public version is a money trap.

    What is it they say? If you want to fight your enemy, know your enemy. Through my long journey for knowledge I’ve become, or at least I like to believe it to be so, a free thinker. But I also have become an atheist. There is no god. The problem with that last statement is that I can’t offer scientific, measurable proof. So, in a way I could be accused that my belief in the non existence of god is an article of faith on my part. But here’s the clincher. I don’t turn my belief or rather disbelief in god a dogma. I simply don’t care that a supposed god would exist. Or not exist.

    “”Lets say for the sake of argument that god exists.”” We are now left with the following crucial question. Which of the two, god or religion makes the most damage on human kind? Personally? I vote for religion. Religion is man made. Let’s say god gave us those ten laws, all they are is a way of life and not a religion. Man turned them into a religion. By the way, the golden rule surpasses by far in spiritual value those ten laws where “thou shalt not kill” isn’t even number one. So, where does one go from here? Fight god or religion? Again I vote for religion.

    Westboro is a perfect example. Go after that church with a vengeance. Drag it through court after court until there is nothing left of it. The same goes for any other religion trying to light pyres. God might still be there, if he exists, but those corrupt religions won’t be.

    Penboy, when I read your loooooooooooong replies I see, in my mind, this kind of lunatic jumping up and down screaming and foaming THERE IS NO GOD. Me? Meh, I don’t care. While my own belief is that there is no god I don’t try to make it dogma… like you are. You don’t even realize that I’m on your side. When I fight intolerance, bigotry and hatred I go for the source, the root, religion. That’s man made. It isn’t invulnerable unlike an idea like god. You can’t kill an idea but you sure can do serious damage to the tools it uses.

    Don’t forget to feed your invisible rabbit! And yes, invisible celery will work. LOL

    1. @Old Dan:
      There is no god. The problem with that last statement is that I can’t offer scientific, measurable proof.”

      No, there is no problem with that statement (bold).

      Since all [measurable] monotheistic religions sprang from the same loin, there is no need for scientific, measurable proof. So, why would you need science to disprove any “god” when they didn’t use any science to “create their gods.”

      And, all those monotheistic religions also “sprang” from the stories long ago told by pagans and polytheists — serious educators have proven this by recounting those original pagan stories and showing the extreme similarities to “today’s god & jesus christ [et al]”.

      This is just ONE of the MANY sites that show the bible stories to be plagiarized:
      http://www.liberatedthinking.com/data/Info/christ/pagroot.html

      Google hundreds more (if you have days, weeks, months, YEARS to read them all).

      And, that’s why I call you and millions just like you “wimpy agnostics”. :-)

    2. @Old Dan:
      “I simply don’t care that a supposed god would exist. Or not exist.”

      And that is the attitude that has allowed and is now allowing all these religious problems throughout the world to not just exist, but flourish.

      Because of attitudes just like that, i.e, the “silent majority”, fanatical religions not only “pop up” in most of those same fascist states, but through their forcing, get more and more of you to “join in” and cause even more mayhem.

      Sorry, and I know this sounds radical, but we seriously need to annihilate these radicalized islamists (jihadists) so that we can have actual peace throughout the world. Egypt is on the right track, but they need to continue it to remove islam throughout their country — they’ve been “progressive” enough throughout recent history enough to understand what it means to have freedoms.

      1. Monotheistic religion……… Hum…….. So you have no problem with multitheistic religions? I still stand by what I’ve said. I don’t care that there would be or wouldn’t be a god or gods. What I care about is what they do with their beliefs. That’s where the danger lies in. Some(many?) monotheistic people are absolutely pro gay rights, black rights and what ever right rights. Others, well, Wesboro is a sad example. But other religions also bare the guilt of their own hatred and bigotry. For me, it isn’t a supposed god that is the threat, it’s religion itself, no matter what its teachings are. You are at war with an idea. Me? I’m at war with the side effects of that idea.

        Noticed my use of the word “supposed”? It’s my way of saying there is no god. Happy? Is that too wimpy for you? Still, I refuse to fight the wind to stop a windmill. It’s far more effective to go after the cogs.

        Robert Lawrence Kuhn is the host of a PBS TV series, “Closer to Truth.” that might help you understand “the enemy” better.

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